papermaiden asked: Hi! I really loved hanging out with you Sunday. About the commission, I gave it to my friend today and he blurted out " Wow, c'est la meilleure chose. J'pense que je vais l'encadrer" (Which is a pretty good reaction by my standards). I look forward seeing you again next year (or, sooner, somehow). Thank you again, I'm glad you enjoyed the con~
Kim: Hello! I ran into you again at Matsuri also lol. I’m glad your friend really liked the commission! Have him send us a picture of it if he really does frame it. (This goes for anyone else who might have our manly man drawings on display… We’re curious where people put them…) You’re welcome and thank *you* for the hangouts!
Dirchansky: OMG figarizzle/kim and I commissioned these fabulous LOVE LOVE HILL portraits from Al and Ren , who were conveniently sitting across from our table at Otakuthon this past weekend! They are super adorable and talented, and we (Kim and I) leered at them allllllllllllll weekkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk—————————- belugachop/koyar wasn’t in attendance so we asked if they could draw her in for ussss hghHGNHHGGHh…!!!
Kim: We told them it was OK to draw us ugly (just to see what would happen, hahaha) but these drawings turned out so cute and amazzzinnnggg. We appreciate the accurate depiction of our fishlips pose we did on their camera. The glasses colours even match, and we purposefully were wearing striped shirts that day! They had some amazing clay charms on their table also and we touched all of them. Thanks for bearing with us all weekend, guys.
Lots of TL;DR and photos under the cut!
So my Sherlock book is finally available for online purchase :D
It is $12 + shipping. There is also a combo if you want a charm as well! Please see this page for details!
Order is open again.
It will remain open until Friday August 10, 2012. If it gets a bit too much again like last time then I may close it early. I won’t be reprinting this for another time. Since this is technically a preorder, I’m printing the exact number of books ordered. I am not going to have any extras afterwards, except whatever amount I reserve for future comic conventions.
If all things go as planned, the books will be mailed out during the week of Monday, August 13, 2012.
PS.I’m not going to be able to draw comic doodles in the books this round. I’m sorry…
PSS.The charms are all sold out so there are no options for them on the site.
koyar: The argument doesn’t work for me since I define “indie” by the way it operates, not whether the creator owns rights or not.
saicoink: I think that pinpoints how I feel about it too though I couldn’t find a way to articulate it until now!
kim: Creator driven comics also sounds more elitist.
saicoink: Indie, DIY, etc. It’s about how it is distributed and made and in some cases the philosophy involved with that (passion even w/o $ gain)…
kim: It sounds like “auteur film”… ”auteur comics”… ”auteur comics” should be the new thing LOL.
saicoink: For elitists.
kim: In a way it’s true. But I think Koyar has a very good point, it all depends really on the way that you operate. I can understand changing the name for stuff put out by D&Q, Fantagraphics, and other small press publishers putting out similar books, because they are more “real” publishers in the way that they operate.
Economically operate, I mean. And calling them “indie” when it’s not really indie is kind of wrong labeling, because what Love Love Hill does, and any kind of indie/vanity/self publishing really, is even smaller press.
saicoink: Yes, totally agree.
koyar: It’s like saying a chain store operates the same way as a mom and pop shop. May be it does for the end consumer, but they are different.
sumafu: Creator pays for everything, and draws/writes everything.
kim: Yes, they are “creator driven” but then it just sounds like a cop out way of saying “I pay for this myself”, lol.
koyar: Regulations or company rules that put them apart.
sumafu: Everyone’s work belongs to themselves.
kim: That you let someone else produce and distribute and sell your property is the whole difference. It’s not so much about the rights issues. I get what he means by not being “us & them” about it, but to be honest, I’ve also just considered smaller publishers just different anyways. Unless it really is just driven by one guy and one guy’s bank account, then the line gets blurred. But if there are people being hired to operate the whole thing, to me that is different from “indie comic” already.
sumafu: For me I totally don’t care about Big2 because I’m staying selfpub forever, but I also like selfpub more than Big2.
kim: I think most of the people who use the term Big2 also use it in contempt/mocking. Like they say “BIG2” and then spit after LOL. Not that this isn’t problematic, but I don’t know really if Marvel and DC use this term to describe themselves.
saicoink: ‘Indies’ has always been for me a term for people doing things on small scale, independently, one or two people handling everything themselves and this can be applied to anything, not just comics.
kim: Yeah, I honestly don’t think “indie” is a harmful term. It’s kind of used wrong with music now too. For example people calling a band like Arcade Fire “indie” when their label sells so many of their records and they win awards and they are superstars. They started from an indie place but they are not indie anymore.
sumafu: Indie hipster is mainstream now.
saicoink: Yeah. I feel like my use has been informed by Japanese use of the term which is mostly about distribution and operation.
kim: I think that is what is happening with comics in a way too, so you’d want to change the labeling accordingly, but to be honest, it’s not so great that “indie” is gone.
saicoink: Seems ‘Indie’ is like taken as a style among a lot of people in English though? I remember growing up and there was the term ‘Alternative’ to describe music like Green Day and Offspring.
kim: I feel like it’s used more of a blanket term that is like “other” from mainstream. People say alternative comics too. The thing is, I understand switching how you talk about things in smaller circles like us, or within the industry, or within creators. And maybe also within more hardcore fans of comics? But there’s not so many of us that it would make any sense to do so when talking to your average joe or your grandma or something.
saicoink: Yeah of course. Comics so niche. As long as we have understanding between us in LLH and friends. LOL
kim: So really it’s not up to us to decide these things LOL. I mean, you can use it internally and hope that it radiates outwards, which it will. But I don’t see using it outside of small comics circles as useful, when average people don’t know anything about comics in the first place.
saicoink: Well, that’s the way meaning and word use is spread. You can’t make people change but you can change your own understanding and use.
kim: There’s so much more explaining to do. So the terms are not all that problematic because you gotta ramp up to it anyway.
saicoink: How about let’s work on getting people to READ comics and ENJOY them. It’s a good discussion to have among creators though in order to get people to re-evaluate their own practice and making of comics.
koyar: Yeah, regardless of rights or profits or operations let’s call it all just “comics”.